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 Post subject: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:00 am 
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Can we get some pics from Wedderburn posted somewhere please?

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:14 pm 
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What's the details of the MG? You certainly dont carry it like that in the field, unless well behind the front line


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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:16 pm 
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Um actually Brendon..YOU DO. Its a replica. Steve Haynes is interested in contacting you regarding making it make noise. ALL of the photos I have seen of soldiers carrying it in formation or just carrying it have it across the shoulder like Steve is carrying it. The only time they would carry by the sling itself is when they are about to run into trouble (eg: the front line). By all means show me actual pictures that are different. Im happy to actually admit Im wrong, unlike alot of people on this planet. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Darn you can see the pink water bottle cap sticking out of my gas mask bag. Also note the bad safety by me. You can see I have my finger on the trigger (bad drills!).


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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:09 pm 
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That's because the photos are not in the combat zone, but travelling behind the front line. In an area in which the MG could possibly encounter enemy (even if combat is not expected) it was always carried in a poisition ready to fire forward and with ammunition (usually drum)


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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Man those are all awesome pics guys. I really hope I can make it next year


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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Just make sure you learn how to properly carry a MG34... ha-ha!! (still waiting for the proof BTW) :P

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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nice pictures .if somebody rode next year on May to the Bohemia ,will grande action struggle for Prag ,so you can with ours club be part of exhibits


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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:01 am 
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Pics are over in the events discussion forum now ;) Thanks for posting them guys ;)

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 Post subject: Found some excellent reference pictures!
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Here you go Brendon, I can see where you get your references from now...I believe you now. my apologies. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:42 pm 
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Brendon wrote:
You certainly dont carry it like that in the field, unless well behind the front line


To carry a 13 kg weapon plus attached ammunition belts around the battlefield when out of contact, in the ready or firing position or facing forward, is an impossible task. Its just too heavy and it is balanced to be a ground fire weapon, hence the bipod. Also, the rate of fire does not allow for accurate shooting off the hip unless in an assault support role.

Thats why 99% of pics of admin moves, relocation from position to position, moving up to the line and switching firing positions in combat lulls both in the line and behind feature the method employed in the pic of myself. (BTW this pic was taken during a move back to the bivouac area in any case...) It balances perfectly on the real thing as well as the repro and it is THE most comfortable way to carry an authentic weighted or real MG34. Swinging the gun into a firing position is also VERY quick and easy from the shoulder. I have carried an MG3 (new MG42) and ammo during dismounted operations in this fashion whilst in the regular army and it works for that weapon as well. (1st Armoured regiment had MG3s as part of the Leopard armament). There is no way you can sustain a "patrol" held position with an LMG of this weight for long and expect to be able to accurately fight with the weapon at the end of the move.

The MG34 slings primary function is to act as a carry handle when in actual combat moves by folding the slings two parts up over the outside of the gun on both sides and gathering over the feed cover. Retrieval of the gun when getting off the ground during engagements and moving forward is also recommended using this method. It also acts as a brace/ suspension strap when assaulting and firing "off the hip". According to the MG34 manual this is achieved by unclipping the front carbine hook and looping the sling over the head. With the pistol grip still attached to the sling swivel point and the sling passing over the outside of the receiver, you can almost balance the gun in a firing position by using just the pistol grip. You can actually control the gun using the sling. Slinging the gun over the shoulder rifle fashion was mainly used on parades and when on long marches as a relief from the shoulder carry. It also takes a lot longer to unsling a gun from a rifle fashion position and bring it to a firing position that it does on the shoulder carry- especially when wearing equipment that snags and catches on the damn thing. Carry strap is probably a better term for the sling.

Here are a few original, front line area pics depicting the method Craig pictured me at... note the first pic- definite combat activity there...

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And lucky last- the guy with the stahlhelm on his belt, left of the picture;
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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Thanks for the info Steve! Its good to get correct information from those in the know.
Here are some other pictures I found as well.
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This picture is simply titled "Marching into Poland 1939"
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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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NICE pics Craig- check the smashed butt on the FJ MG! If he was firing it then it would have been close!

In the pic where they are in formation and wearing zelts- see how balanced the guns are- they are loosely holding the slings.

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Aye...it makes perfect sense to carry the MG's that way, to be able to instantly drop them off the shoulder into firing position, from left shoulder to right hand...its simple but more effective! And we all know Germans are all for doing things properly and more efficiently...and this way makes WAY more sense.

Hmmm....

A bunch of "actual" photos from WW2, including expert testamony of actual usage verses a reenactor in 2009.

Case dismissed.

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 Post subject: Re: Pictures from Wedderburn '09 -please post
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Thanks for the info guys. I have a book called World War II Infantry Tactics that talks about carrying it in a position ready to fire should the squad come under attack. Not from the hip neccesarily, but so it can be deployed and fired instantly. I guess this is not correct unless the enemy is known to exist ahead. I have found other inaccuracies in the book before....


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